Comments on: Back in the Playground: Bitching on Twitter http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/ Just another UKOLN Blogs weblog Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:57:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.2 By: Joshua http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-90 Joshua Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:07:14 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-90 I found a site dedicated to nothing but angry, bitchy tweets.. it’s quite funny actually. – http://tinyurl.com/mezl98

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By: Richard M. Davis http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Richard M. Davis Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:37:20 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-80 Following up on the Q&A&T approach – at yesterday’s RSP do in Manchester, we had the #rspsoft09 Twitter stream projected over the end-of-day Q&A. Only the last page of Tweets was shown, which weren’t particularly illuminating (not a reflection on the event, or earlier tweets, BTW). Anyway, by then I was following the parallel #archives2.0 stream from down the road – what a crazy quantum world!

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By: Owen Stephens http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Owen Stephens Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:55:37 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-89 @Ian I regularly blog presentations I go to, and feel it both adds to my experience of the presentation (in that I take more away from it) and also allows me to both have a record of the presentation and shares it with a wider audience. However, certain presentations defeat my attempts to blog – when a speaker engages me like this I do put down my laptop.

I’m not sure why you feel that twittering during talks is negative on balance – I have to admit my experience of being involved in twitter while presentations are on has been generally positive – and I think the open nature of the channel contributes to this (I’ve seen other, less public, back channels be more juvenile in a ‘back row of the classroom’ type way)

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By: Ian Waugh http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-88 Ian Waugh Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:49:00 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-88 I’ve read the ‘how to present while..’ thing too, and I’m still not convinced! Not sure why, but my instinct is that Twittering during talks is, on balance, negative. Unusual as I’m usually defending the use of Web 2.0 technologies.

I just think in this case people should put down their laptops and actually experience the presentation fully.

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By: What Are the #jiscbid Evaluators Thinking? « UK Web Focus http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-87 What Are the #jiscbid Evaluators Thinking? « UK Web Focus Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:45:10 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-87 [...] in some cases this may be true, but in discussing a bidding process or, as my colleague Marieke Guy has recently commented,  in the context of discussing talks at conferences, we need to establish best practices. But I [...]

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By: Amanda http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Amanda Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:40:37 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-86 Thanks for the link to the ‘How to present while…’ article. That’s changed my views about this issue. I had been (vaguely) thinking that it would be off-putting and uncomfortable to be presenting while there’s an ongoing commentary happening in the audience, but the points made in that article are all good ones. Having people tapping away at their keyboards while someone is talking always struck me as rather rude before. But now if that happens, speakers can pretend to themselves that the typists in the audience are actually fully engaged with what they’re saying and are sharing it with their Twitter colleagues, rather than assuming that they’re answering their email instead.

I like Richard’s suggestion about putting up the tweets at the end of the talk – seems a bit less stressful than having them appear during a presentation. Though might be embarrassing if there weren’t any…

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By: Richard M. Davis http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Richard M. Davis Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:31:36 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-85 P.S. http://twitter.com/twetiquette

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By: Richard M. Davis http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Richard M. Davis Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:04:08 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-84 Hi Marieke.

I think whether to embrace the backchannel by adapting a presentation on-the-hoof will have to be an individual choice – for some people, and types of presentation, it may work, but for many it won’t. Presenters have generally taken far more trouble to prepare a presentation than a few immature, smart-alec tweeters will give them credit for; even in Shakespeare, things sometimes sag in the middle but come right in the end!

But, more straightforwardly, perhaps to the usual 5-mins-for-questions-and-feedback at the end, we could start adding (or substituting) 5-mins-for-Tweets-and-Tweetback. I.e., switch the display to show, via Twitter Search/Twemes/whatever, all the tagged or otherwise identifiable tweets about the presentation on the big screen, and ask the presenter to comment and/or audience to discuss further? I think this would be both interesting and fair, encouraging constructive tweets and hopefully discouraging less wholesome twittering by those unprepared to stand up and be counted.

Why not try smthg like this out at IWMW?

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By: Owen Stephens http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Owen Stephens Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:53:07 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-83 I think that Twitter and other backchannels can add a lot to presentations. However, I agree that some contributions can leave something to be desired.

This report (http://librarygarden.blogspot.com/2009/02/twitiquette-short-but-helpful-guide-to.html) of ‘inappropriate’ tweeting from an ALA meeting is a good example of where people overstep the bounds.

I think that embracing the backchannel is one way to actually modify behaviour. Until recently Twitter has been a relatively small back water of activity in reality, and saying something on Twitter could be regarded as whispering it quietly to a colleague or two. As takeup of backchannels increases it becomes more like standing up and shouting it to the room. Throwing the backchannel up on a screen makes this transition extremely clear – if you know what you say is going to appear on a screen the moment you say it, it becomes explicit that you are interacting in a public forum, and so behave as such. There is a fine line here – I may take issue with what someone says, but I need to do this in such a way as is professional and doesn’t become personal.

When I’ve taken part in backchannels I often find myself framing my disagreement as a question rather than a straight contradiction – this gives the speaker (or others) an invitation to respond and debate.

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By: Ian Waugh http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Ian Waugh Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:16:42 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-82 Interesting post Mareke, at the moment I can’t really see any real advantages to Twittering live at events during presentations. Obviously people can’t be prevented from using it during talks, but I really think it is distracting and maybe even disrespectful to the speaker.

To me it feels a lot like passing notes in class when the teacher is talking!

I’m a late adopter of Twitter, and the one thing I dislike is the horribly self-important and egocentric way someone can come across on it. Not sure I’ve managed to avoid that in my own tweets, but I’m trying!

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By: Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus) http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/remoteworker-backup/2009/03/02/back-in-the-playground-bitching-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-81 Brian Kelly (UK Web Focus) Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:25:04 +0000 http://remoteworker.wordpress.com/?p=683#comment-81 Hi Marieke, we introduced an Acceptable Use Policy covering use of networked technologies at IWMW 2006 – although I feel that there is probably a need to revisit the AUP and update it in light of the greater take-up of technologies such as Twitter.

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